Mujibur Rahman's Argument with Evolutionists
Mujibur Rahman Versus Jim Terry, Michell Diva, Siva Rangam.
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Q 1. Is there any genetic mechanism that cud hv rearranged the genes? Yes or no?
Jim Terry : The way genes will rearrange solely depends on the environment.. For example, people living in the equator regions have darker skin colour than those living in arctic regions... This is because melanin pigment is protective against UV rays of the sun... Natural selection promotes passing down the melanin producing genes to next generation.
Q 2. Was there any gene generating system or gene insertion system in Apes?
JimTerry : Gene generating system?? Genes are not objects or articles that can be "generated"..... Genes are a cluster of codons (if you know what a codon is)..... Genes may overlap, they are bands of protein producing sites on the DNA.
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Q 3. What is the difference between repairing and mutation in the sequence of DNA?
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Jim Terry : Do you even know what you want to ask? Do you even know the meaning of your own questions? "What is the difference between Repairing and Mutation in the DNA"... Is this a research level question!??
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When a sudden mismatch between the regular sequence of purine and pyrimidine occurs, it is called mutation... Repairing means the sequence is restored by a series of nicking and cutting done by DNA polymerase enzymes.
Genetic recombination term is used in two contexts... 1) The prophase 1 of cell cycle, also called crossing over 2) In genetic engineering, where one fragment of a bacterial DNA is fused into another to produce a genetically different bacterium.. eg in antibiotic resistance.
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Me : You can't understand the difference between repairing and mutation Jim Terry ? Once you enter genetics you will understand how is this question a research level question. Make an attempt to reply. It is easy to pass judgements which you both Jim Terry and Shiva Rangam is doing? Instead of that reply our queries. Your number of comments prove you have time. Tell us some on Human Chromosome 2 Fusion Theory. Tell us how is that possible with genetic limitations?
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Recombination occurs during meiosis . Just to be clear,mutations, which r changes in the sequence of DNA due to errors in replication or repair, cannot produce new information.
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Jim, the more that real science investigates these claims the more pseudoscientific evolution appears. The evolutionists will ask what about the mutation of viruses for example the flu virus becoming more more resistant to vaccines?
Bacteria do not become resistant to antibiotics merely by experiencing genetic mutations in fact there are at lest two important genetic mechanisms by which resistance may be conferred.
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First there's the process of conjugation during which two bacterial cells join and an exchange of genetic material occurs certain enzymes exchanged in this process coincidentally assist in the breakdown of antibiotics thus making the bacteria resistant to antibiotics .
Secondly bacteria can incorporate into their own genetic machinery foreign pieces of DNA by either of two types of DNA transposition.
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In transformation DNA from the environment perhaps from the death of another bacterium is absorbed into the bacterial cell and transduction a piece of DNA is transported into the cell by virus for example ; as a result of incorporating new genetic material and organism can become resistant to antibiotics so another words bacteria and viruses adapt rather than purely mutate .
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This medical scientific fact is now so well known that many evolutionists have dropped this argument for their proof.
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Another evolutionist argument is , what about the mosquitoes amazing ability to resist each new repellent used against it?
The source of the mosquitoes ability to resist repellent is found in adaptation ability within its genome; as it adapts it's still a mosquito and no new body parts have been found . This amazing ability is identified as natural selection or adaptation not evolution.
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No new species or additional body part are arising from this process and furthermore older pesticides can remain effective especially if a new generation of mosquitoes are not exposed.
Q 4. What is recombination? Is mutation the same as cloning the same DNA?
Michell Diva : Recombination is the exchange of gene loci between two strands of DNA.. Mutation and cloning cannot be compared in the first place! Mutation happens to a DNA or RNA, it doesn't produce any progeny DNA/RNA... Cloning means you made an exact copy of the DNA or RNA .
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Siva Rangam : dont you understand ,a request -?-i told you write what ever you like ,but dont address me -2ndly ,i am not on a teaching mission on fb to mazhabee idiots --thanks
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Me : Recombination is meant to be transcription and replication. macro-evolution can’t generate replicated full information thus mutation doesn’t mean cloning the same DNA. Then hw cn it be healthy evolution?
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Michel Diva, DNA does not go anywhere or do anything productive without the already existing proteins that's because in order for DNA to be transcribed and utilized in the cell which is essential to protein formation and life, DNA requires already existing proteins. ..
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DNA also cannot even replicate that is making copies of itself without already existing proteins, it means that if you can get with DNA but without proteins you could never get to proteins or life because DNA needs already existing proteins to even function or form proteins and you couldn't start with protein which is devour of DNA.
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Because proteins can only be formed from the instructions and information in DNA that proves that both DNA and proteins not to mention the many other molecular machines that enable them to interact must've been present for the beginning of life one could not have evolved into the other because they require one another for sustenance and utility. They must have been formed simultaneously.
Q 5. Can mutation to duplicate or inverse or delete in macro-evolution produce different new information?
Jim Terry : Yes... It has been doing so for millions of years Read my comment on Sickle cell gene …….
Me : Mutations to duplicate or inverse or delete cn never produce new information for macro-evolution. It cn be scrambling, not another high profiled new DNA. It is necessary for another DNA same as the previous one and this is not possible by distorted mutation.
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Q 6. Can u explain hw changes in allele frequencies cn change a fish into bear and hw mutation cn provide new unknown structure tat was not existed before?
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Jim Terry : Change in allele frequency for millions of years transformed a fish into another kind of fish that can survive in both land and water.. that fish was called amphibian... Then change is allele frequency for another million years transformed an amphibian into a mammal, one of those diverse branched out mammals is bear.. This is why I told you to read books, watch lectures by experts... I cant go writing tonnes of lines to explain things which are already available in libraries...
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.Siva Rangam : you are exactly what i think of you -an idiot --,dont uderstand a simple request ,how one will expect you to understand complicated natural sciences -- i dont teach idiots on fb ,who turn fish into a Bear --find some one of your level and turn into camel as well –
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Me : Calling people idiots does not make you look intelligent than they are. It only shows what a bully you are. Mr. Siva you are not providing with any information in Science then why do you bother to give certificates to others? You have no rights to call someone idiot or treat yourself superior when you are not ready to discuss. Just read your replies you will understand your level.
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Shiva, dont run you are protected here. Enlighten us with your DNA engineering. Come on Mr intelligent , who has tendency call everyone nonsense.
if you hv guts either tag me with your timeline and allow my tag appear in your timeline
Siva answer those questions if you hv it. Common man. Jio to sher uthake jio ,bakri ke tarf nahi.
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DNA carries the information and it passes generation to generation so if my DNA was from apes then I wud be an ape not a human being. On the other hand if mutation is to be considered then it cn at best can be said as distortion. If there is the same mutation of the DNA then it is carrying the same amount of information but if there is another replica of the original DNA then it can never carry the healthy information from a weak DNA.It cn be called as noise or entropy and entrophy in physics is from usefulness to uselessness. Noise can never give better sound but it decreases the sound then how the DNA of a Chimp started to give magnificent information tat formed human DNA? This is absurd
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Q 7. how the DNA of a Chimp started to give magnificent information tat formed human DNA?
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Siva Rangam : Humans did not evolve from chimp... Humans and Chimps evolved from a common ancestor who had characteristics of both chimp and humans human and chimp are 98% same ---genetically 2% variation ---see human chromosomme 2 --and chimps all life have same DNA --minor variations in it is what differenciates all life from each other bannana shares with me 50% of its DNA it is my Deusche &frustuk time ---…….
Q8. The hydrogen bond is another strand. These two are creating the double helix of the DNA. How cn you formulate Nucleotide paring without the backbone? The backbone of your Nucleotide is sugar-phospate with nitrogen bases? Are these two not forming the helix? Hydrogen bonds hold these two strands. Thus your Nucleotide is not identical in a DNA. They cn be free but in order to form DNA it must depend on hydrogen. If so hw fusion is possible? How Nucleotide activate polymere to fuse when itself is not a complete phenomenon . It alone even cannot make any cell then how cn there be mutation?
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Jim Terry : All these questions you have asked are no PhD level ones.. Go study your 12th biology... The mechanism of Transcription, Translation, Gene Mutation all are given nicely in that textbook A person who has studied biology properly in school, won't ask these stupid questionsI posted links because I assume you don't know the basics of genetics https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqPLgNjR4QTranscription and Translation Overview https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6gUY5NoX1Lk DNA replication and RNA transcription and translation |…https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RtXZ5tr-HR4 Genetics - Mutation Part 1 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pYBsOy_Nb1EGenetics - Mutation Part 2 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C6dlacQ1kX0 Mechanisms Of Evolutionary Change https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eml_j_aNAcM Mechanisms of Evolution - SC.912.L.15.14
Mutation is not the only mechanism of evolutionAs you can see... The video lectures I have pasted are all 10-15 mins long describing mechanisms of gene mutation, genetic drift, gene flow, mechanisms of evolution... If a person starts typing that lecture, it would take him hours to write that down and explain everything... Those who are interested in learning, can first go through the lectures and then discuss the doubts... …..Once again that zakir naik jargon... Speak too much, say nothing.. Oh now i understand.. you are saying that proteins cannot form without DNA?? Read about the Miller-Urey experiment.. Read this.... This is very important for understanding origin of life and subsequent evolution of biomolecules https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis Abiogenesis - Wikipedia …..Adding heavy sounding scientific jargon doesn't make them "research level" questions.. You yourself don't understand the meaning of the questions you have asked.. Who told you all this?? You need to read proper books on genetics You are a mazhabee -to me you are not normal any way --i dont class you human at all –you need to grow up a lot – ….ALL debates in educated societies ceased the day we found that all life share common ancestory--this was what Darwin said -he had no access to modern technology and know how ,which we had -so our DNA sequencing of life have shown us that it is common through out all life --end of story -Darwin won -- now how this came about ,one needs to study the subject in detail -or relevant part one is interested in --main thing is ,it has happened and happening all the time ,how it doing it ,it up to us individual to dig it -many thousands of geneticists are doing it and have done it ,and are happy with the results so far –
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Me : Lol, you can find whole series of video uploads which will explain to you the limitations of mutation and evolution. I can paste those for you and that will mean nothing. So instead of pasting links here explain to us what your points are. And yes for you these are 12 standard questions because you are stuck with the explanation that were given to you to tame your 12th standard brain. These are research level questions. Haha hard core scientists are unable to provide satisfactory replies and they are still struggling. These are our doubts explain to us. Superficial comments are easy to make now it's time to move from biology to genetics.
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Genes may overlap, genes can fuse but it is not proof of evolution of humans from apes. Human genetic data is quite different from other species. One has to prove in Human Chromosome 2 Fusion theory but this is not scientifically possible due to many natural defense system to prevent these fusions. I am not interested in playing this headless game. If you are so convinced of evolution being answer of human life on Earth then solve the dilemma of above mentioned questions. Till then take your time.
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Why the Miller–Urey research argues against abiogenesis - CMI Mobile And this is the problem of copy pasting links without understanding the available critique of every experiment. Thus we asked to have a proper debate. Everyone can post links from a variety of sources to prove one's points. Anyway...
Stop suggesting people rather prove yourself. Just don't yell. It's me saying it .
Jim things are not that simple as you assume. Dont post links. Talk with me. If we start posting links then it ll be a never ending process. Let me know how much u know .
Come on Jim bring your evidences. How long you shall depend on links. ?
How Protein, DNA, RNA works …………..
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My following article is a baffling conundrum to the evolutionist purpose and directed information exchange orchestrating specific and intended functioning within a cell is continuously conducted within the human genome and the DNA RNA functions that make up the human genome as we probably know the genome is the complete set of genetic material for any given living organism . The human genome is about 3 giga bases long which boils down to 750 MB this is about the same code amount that is found in total of three Mozilla browsers.
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The language of DNA is digital but is not binary code like a computer where binary encoding has 0s and 1s to work with, DNA has four positions T,C,G and A.
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These letters are used to represent the four informational nucleotide basis of a DNA strand. whereas a digital byte is almost 8 binary digits a DNA byte called a codon has 3 digits because each digit can have 4 values instead of 2 . A DNA codon has 64 possible values compare to a binary byte which has 256 .
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When we take into account that all 20 plus million species of known life and each of their sub system and sub sub systems are all produced within this 64 valued coding language we can see the amazing efficiency level at which the genome works: of the 20000 to 30000 genes now thought to make up the human genome, most cells actually express only a very small part of the total information code which makes sense, a liver cell for example wud hv no need for the DNA code that makes up neurones.
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But since almost all the cells carry around a full copy of the genome a system is needed to define out information that is not needed and that is just how DNA works.
Just like a computer program the generic code is full of if and end if statements . …
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This is why stem cells are so hot right now . These cells hv the ability to differentiate into everything the code hasn't been defined out yet so to speak stated more precisely stem cells do not hv everything turned on over the lifetime of the stem cell during which time it may clone of fork many times . It specialises itself ; each specialisation can be regarded as choosing a branch and a tree in which it ll ultimately and finally operate and specialised. …….
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Each stem cell cn make or be induced to make decisions about its future, each decision makes it more specialised. DNA is not simply a Computer programming language but as it is already said there are some starling analogies between DNA and computer code. We can view each cell as a CPU for a central processing unit running it own kernel as we probably know in computing kernel is the main component of most computer operating systems. It's a bridge between applications and the actual data processing done at the hardware level so each cell has a copy of the entire karnal but amazingly each cell chooses to activate only the relevant parts which modules or which driver it loads so to speak if the cell needs to do something or call a function it calls up the right piece of the genome and transcribes it into RNA. The RNA is then translated into a sequence of amino acids which together make up a protein for which the DNA coded .
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Now for the truly amazing part of the equation; this called up and coded protein is then tagged with a shipping address this address is a marker consisting of several several amino acids which tells the rest of the cells where this particular protein needs to be deployed.
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Once the protein arrives at its intended location the delivery instruction is then stripped off and several post processing steps are performed activating the protein - now do its job, the protein is not activated until at arrives at it marked and intended location.
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The amazing and complex intelligent communication functions of DNA are myriad . They are too numerous to recount and explain in short but the fact remains , purposed and directed information exchange is continuously conducted within the human genome and the DNA RNA functions that make it up purposed and directed information exchange. You decide is it random dramatically mutated nonpurposed accidental evolution?
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Jim, do you know wot? You people are abusive more than providing evidences. Life cannot exist without proteins proteins are essential to every cells function and existence however proteins require DNA to be formed that's because proteins are chains of specifically sequenced amino acids. Amino acids must link up in the precise sequence for a protein to form the precise sequence of a amino acids which is essential to protein formation is it self-determined by precise arrangement of the bases in the DNA molecule .
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That means that the precise arrangement of the bases in the DNA molecule constitutes the code for the precise arrangement of amino acids in a chain and the precise amino acids arrangement in a chain is itself necessary for protein formation therefore to put it simply to have life you must-have DNA and protein cannot form without it but DNA by itself is useless , it can't do anything.
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DNA does not go anywhere or do anything productive without the already existing proteins that's because in order for DNA to be transcribed and utilized in the cell which is essential to protein formation and life, DNA requires already existing proteins.
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DNA also cannot even replicate that is making copies of itself without already existing proteins, it means that if you can get with DNA but without proteins you could never get to proteins or life because DNA needs already existing proteins to even function or form proteins and you couldn't start with protein which is devour of DNA.
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Because proteins can only be formed from the instructions and information in DNA that proves that both DNA and proteins not to mention the many other molecular machines that enable them to interact must've been present for the beginning of life one could not have evolved into the other because they require one another for sustenance and utility. They must have been formed simultaneously.
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The evolutionists believe that Genetic mutation are the stuff of life thus the stuff of evolution actually genetic mutations have to be the process of life for evolutionists because without the existence of an intelligent designer there really is no other explanation for help one kind of living organism eventually over millions of years turns into another kind of living organism.
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The problem with the genetic mutation argument is that every true form the key words are , “ true form” of genetic mutation discovered shows that mutations result a decrease of useful information or an increase of destructive information to the DNA information science often with horrible results rather than evolutionary results.
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No form of true genetic mutation has ever been shown to produce anything usefully additional to a living organism . Mutations have not produced eyes, arms, legs, fins,lungs or reproductive system for example. Doctor E. Meyer professor of zoology at Harvard is famous for the following quote of scientific truth. “To believe that such a drastic mutation would `produce a viable new type, capable of occupying a new adaptive zone, `is equivalent to believing in miracles."—*E. Mayr, "Populations" in Species and Evolution (1970), p. 253.
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There are two possible sources of the genetic variability which is required and able to drive changes within species ; genetic recombination and mutation.
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Mutations are random nucleotide alterations such as copying errors or changes induced by external mutagens and contrast genetic recombination is performed by the cell during the preparation of gametes like sperm, egg or pollen all of which are used for sexual reproduction.
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Genetic recombination is the primary source of the genetic distinctions between individuals in a living population and must therefore be the principal driving force behind changes within species.
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Although genetic recombination was discovered and scientifically proven after the formation of Darwin's theories of evolution it is still playing by evolutionists today that mutations are the sources of any in natural variations within species and evolution takes it even an incomprehensible step further by claiming that ultimately these mutations cause one kind of living organism to become another kind of completely viable and evolve living organism .
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This is a suppose phenomenon which has never been observed in the totality of man,s existence. In comparison to recombination the changes induced by mutations are totally insignificant.
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Mutations are also disrupted to normal gene function and are often corrected by itself whenever detected.
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Now let's deal with a few of the most recent evolutionary arguments that supposedly prove that evolution occurs through mutation
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The more that real science investigates these claims the more pseudoscientific evolution appears. The evolutionists will ask what about the mutation of viruses for example the flu virus becoming more more resistant to vaccines?
Bacteria do not become resistant to antibiotics merely by experiencing genetic mutations in fact there are at lest two important genetic mechanisms by which resistance may be conferred.
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First there's the process of conjugation during which two bacterial cells join and an exchange of genetic material occurs certain enzymes exchanged in this process coincidentally assist in the breakdown of antibiotics thus making the bacteria resistant to antibiotics .
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Secondly bacteria can incorporate into their own genetic machinery foreign pieces of DNA by either of two types of DNA transposition.
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In transformation DNA from the environment perhaps from the death of another bacterium is absorbed into the bacterial cell and transduction a piece of DNA is transported into the cell by virus for example ; as a result of incorporating new genetic material and organism can become resistant to antibiotics so another words bacteria and viruses adapt rather than purely mutate .
This medical scientific fact is now so well known that many evolutionists have dropped this argument for their proof.
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Another evolutionist argument is , what about the mosquitoes amazing ability to resist each new repellent used against it?
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The source of the mosquitoes ability to resist repellent is found in adaptation ability within its genome; as it adapts it's still a mosquito and no new body parts have been found . This amazing ability is identified as natural selection or adaptation not evolution.
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No new species or additional body part are arising from this process and furthermore older pesticides can remain effective especially if a new generation of mosquitoes are not exposed.
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What about bacteria developing the ability to digest nylon ?
In the nineteenth seventies a team of Japanese scientists did come across a bacterium that was able to digest nylon yet again it's not exactly the vindication that evolution required.
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The mutation that caused the bacterium to do this was not found in the chromosomes, meaning that it could never be transferred during binary fission, also important to note is that plasmids and independent circular self replicating DNA molecule often found in bacteria that carries only few genes, the plasmids in the bacterium have been noted for the ability to adapt to new diets.
This would mean that the bacterium adapted it did not evolve from the mutation.
Every single other examples of evolution is for genetic mutation as the stuff of life falls into the category is just mentioned.
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Q 9 : Can mutations add new info?
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Me:By nature, Mutation is destructive, adds no new info. Isn't it true? In our 12th Biology, we've read, Mutations are errors, errors cannot add new information needed for a superior DNA layout.
Only the micro-evolution part is true in this evolution story. Mutations give rise to Variations, Adaptations give rise to Variations. But then there are strict limits to Variations. Whenever those limits are tried to be pushed, the consequence is Sterility, and the line comes to an end. Variations don't continue to give birth to new KINDS. Bacteria thru mutation becomes another bacteria,again. A fish thru mutation becomes another type of fish again. It doen't become something else. I called it destructive becos Mutation involves a LOSS of existing info. There is no Gain of information. Mutations never add new info and so doesn't help in going up the evolutionary ladder.
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SivaRangam : but carry on this little change --in next to next ----you will end up a walking fish,who can possibly live outside waters as well that is reptile -- explain me human chromosomme 2 --where we have two telomere in the center ? mutation is blind -it is neither destructive nor beneficial -- variation accumulated leads to mutation --- adaptation takes over ,mutation ,to adjust to that mutation --- so dont call it destructive or constructive -it is just a blind variation ---
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Jim Terry : Exactly!!! Mutation is Destructive or Beneficial in your frame of reference, not in nature's frame of reference... I give you an example.. The sicke cell anaemia gene causes a fatal anemia in humans.. It causes deformed RBCs so that they lose their ability to carry enough oxygen... Through humans frame of reference, this gene is harmful and it should perish for natural selection.. It causes death to every recessive individual that inherits it, so eventually this gene should omit out of human gene pool But here's the catch! This gene provides resistance against Malaria parasite... Plasmodium needs oxygen to produce trophozoits, in sickled RBCs plasmodium asexual reproduction is resisted... This is how sickle cell gene is useful despite being seen by humans as "harmful"... Now you will say Allah knows better for humans! He designed sickle cell gene to give protection against plasmodium!!…..Who told you there is no gain of information? Read the genetics chapter of Robbins Pathology... Many point mutations and frameshift mutations produce a different kind of enzyme or protein, a protein that has molecular weight higher than the regular one! I request you people to read proper books on Genetics, not the Islamic Research Foundation bullshit.. peace …..
Me : Jim, The synthesis of RNA from DNA is called transcription (the DNA is transcribed into RNA).
Sickle cell anaemia does not prove prove evolution.
https://youtu.be/JHNt9WJCsmk
Q 1. Is there any genetic mechanism that cud hv rearranged the genes? Yes or no?
Jim Terry : The way genes will rearrange solely depends on the environment.. For example, people living in the equator regions have darker skin colour than those living in arctic regions... This is because melanin pigment is protective against UV rays of the sun... Natural selection promotes passing down the melanin producing genes to next generation.
Q 2. Was there any gene generating system or gene insertion system in Apes?
JimTerry : Gene generating system?? Genes are not objects or articles that can be "generated"..... Genes are a cluster of codons (if you know what a codon is)..... Genes may overlap, they are bands of protein producing sites on the DNA.
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Q 3. What is the difference between repairing and mutation in the sequence of DNA?
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Jim Terry : Do you even know what you want to ask? Do you even know the meaning of your own questions? "What is the difference between Repairing and Mutation in the DNA"... Is this a research level question!??
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When a sudden mismatch between the regular sequence of purine and pyrimidine occurs, it is called mutation... Repairing means the sequence is restored by a series of nicking and cutting done by DNA polymerase enzymes.
Genetic recombination term is used in two contexts... 1) The prophase 1 of cell cycle, also called crossing over 2) In genetic engineering, where one fragment of a bacterial DNA is fused into another to produce a genetically different bacterium.. eg in antibiotic resistance.
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Me : You can't understand the difference between repairing and mutation Jim Terry ? Once you enter genetics you will understand how is this question a research level question. Make an attempt to reply. It is easy to pass judgements which you both Jim Terry and Shiva Rangam is doing? Instead of that reply our queries. Your number of comments prove you have time. Tell us some on Human Chromosome 2 Fusion Theory. Tell us how is that possible with genetic limitations?
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Recombination occurs during meiosis . Just to be clear,mutations, which r changes in the sequence of DNA due to errors in replication or repair, cannot produce new information.
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Jim, the more that real science investigates these claims the more pseudoscientific evolution appears. The evolutionists will ask what about the mutation of viruses for example the flu virus becoming more more resistant to vaccines?
Bacteria do not become resistant to antibiotics merely by experiencing genetic mutations in fact there are at lest two important genetic mechanisms by which resistance may be conferred.
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First there's the process of conjugation during which two bacterial cells join and an exchange of genetic material occurs certain enzymes exchanged in this process coincidentally assist in the breakdown of antibiotics thus making the bacteria resistant to antibiotics .
Secondly bacteria can incorporate into their own genetic machinery foreign pieces of DNA by either of two types of DNA transposition.
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In transformation DNA from the environment perhaps from the death of another bacterium is absorbed into the bacterial cell and transduction a piece of DNA is transported into the cell by virus for example ; as a result of incorporating new genetic material and organism can become resistant to antibiotics so another words bacteria and viruses adapt rather than purely mutate .
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This medical scientific fact is now so well known that many evolutionists have dropped this argument for their proof.
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Another evolutionist argument is , what about the mosquitoes amazing ability to resist each new repellent used against it?
The source of the mosquitoes ability to resist repellent is found in adaptation ability within its genome; as it adapts it's still a mosquito and no new body parts have been found . This amazing ability is identified as natural selection or adaptation not evolution.
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No new species or additional body part are arising from this process and furthermore older pesticides can remain effective especially if a new generation of mosquitoes are not exposed.
Q 4. What is recombination? Is mutation the same as cloning the same DNA?
Michell Diva : Recombination is the exchange of gene loci between two strands of DNA.. Mutation and cloning cannot be compared in the first place! Mutation happens to a DNA or RNA, it doesn't produce any progeny DNA/RNA... Cloning means you made an exact copy of the DNA or RNA .
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Siva Rangam : dont you understand ,a request -?-i told you write what ever you like ,but dont address me -2ndly ,i am not on a teaching mission on fb to mazhabee idiots --thanks
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Me : Recombination is meant to be transcription and replication. macro-evolution can’t generate replicated full information thus mutation doesn’t mean cloning the same DNA. Then hw cn it be healthy evolution?
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Michel Diva, DNA does not go anywhere or do anything productive without the already existing proteins that's because in order for DNA to be transcribed and utilized in the cell which is essential to protein formation and life, DNA requires already existing proteins. ..
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DNA also cannot even replicate that is making copies of itself without already existing proteins, it means that if you can get with DNA but without proteins you could never get to proteins or life because DNA needs already existing proteins to even function or form proteins and you couldn't start with protein which is devour of DNA.
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Because proteins can only be formed from the instructions and information in DNA that proves that both DNA and proteins not to mention the many other molecular machines that enable them to interact must've been present for the beginning of life one could not have evolved into the other because they require one another for sustenance and utility. They must have been formed simultaneously.
Q 5. Can mutation to duplicate or inverse or delete in macro-evolution produce different new information?
Jim Terry : Yes... It has been doing so for millions of years Read my comment on Sickle cell gene …….
Me : Mutations to duplicate or inverse or delete cn never produce new information for macro-evolution. It cn be scrambling, not another high profiled new DNA. It is necessary for another DNA same as the previous one and this is not possible by distorted mutation.
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Q 6. Can u explain hw changes in allele frequencies cn change a fish into bear and hw mutation cn provide new unknown structure tat was not existed before?
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Jim Terry : Change in allele frequency for millions of years transformed a fish into another kind of fish that can survive in both land and water.. that fish was called amphibian... Then change is allele frequency for another million years transformed an amphibian into a mammal, one of those diverse branched out mammals is bear.. This is why I told you to read books, watch lectures by experts... I cant go writing tonnes of lines to explain things which are already available in libraries...
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.Siva Rangam : you are exactly what i think of you -an idiot --,dont uderstand a simple request ,how one will expect you to understand complicated natural sciences -- i dont teach idiots on fb ,who turn fish into a Bear --find some one of your level and turn into camel as well –
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Me : Calling people idiots does not make you look intelligent than they are. It only shows what a bully you are. Mr. Siva you are not providing with any information in Science then why do you bother to give certificates to others? You have no rights to call someone idiot or treat yourself superior when you are not ready to discuss. Just read your replies you will understand your level.
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Shiva, dont run you are protected here. Enlighten us with your DNA engineering. Come on Mr intelligent , who has tendency call everyone nonsense.
if you hv guts either tag me with your timeline and allow my tag appear in your timeline
Siva answer those questions if you hv it. Common man. Jio to sher uthake jio ,bakri ke tarf nahi.
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DNA carries the information and it passes generation to generation so if my DNA was from apes then I wud be an ape not a human being. On the other hand if mutation is to be considered then it cn at best can be said as distortion. If there is the same mutation of the DNA then it is carrying the same amount of information but if there is another replica of the original DNA then it can never carry the healthy information from a weak DNA.It cn be called as noise or entropy and entrophy in physics is from usefulness to uselessness. Noise can never give better sound but it decreases the sound then how the DNA of a Chimp started to give magnificent information tat formed human DNA? This is absurd
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Q 7. how the DNA of a Chimp started to give magnificent information tat formed human DNA?
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Siva Rangam : Humans did not evolve from chimp... Humans and Chimps evolved from a common ancestor who had characteristics of both chimp and humans human and chimp are 98% same ---genetically 2% variation ---see human chromosomme 2 --and chimps all life have same DNA --minor variations in it is what differenciates all life from each other bannana shares with me 50% of its DNA it is my Deusche &frustuk time ---…….
Q8. The hydrogen bond is another strand. These two are creating the double helix of the DNA. How cn you formulate Nucleotide paring without the backbone? The backbone of your Nucleotide is sugar-phospate with nitrogen bases? Are these two not forming the helix? Hydrogen bonds hold these two strands. Thus your Nucleotide is not identical in a DNA. They cn be free but in order to form DNA it must depend on hydrogen. If so hw fusion is possible? How Nucleotide activate polymere to fuse when itself is not a complete phenomenon . It alone even cannot make any cell then how cn there be mutation?
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Jim Terry : All these questions you have asked are no PhD level ones.. Go study your 12th biology... The mechanism of Transcription, Translation, Gene Mutation all are given nicely in that textbook A person who has studied biology properly in school, won't ask these stupid questionsI posted links because I assume you don't know the basics of genetics https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqPLgNjR4QTranscription and Translation Overview https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6gUY5NoX1Lk DNA replication and RNA transcription and translation |…https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RtXZ5tr-HR4 Genetics - Mutation Part 1 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pYBsOy_Nb1EGenetics - Mutation Part 2 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C6dlacQ1kX0 Mechanisms Of Evolutionary Change https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eml_j_aNAcM Mechanisms of Evolution - SC.912.L.15.14
Mutation is not the only mechanism of evolutionAs you can see... The video lectures I have pasted are all 10-15 mins long describing mechanisms of gene mutation, genetic drift, gene flow, mechanisms of evolution... If a person starts typing that lecture, it would take him hours to write that down and explain everything... Those who are interested in learning, can first go through the lectures and then discuss the doubts... …..Once again that zakir naik jargon... Speak too much, say nothing.. Oh now i understand.. you are saying that proteins cannot form without DNA?? Read about the Miller-Urey experiment.. Read this.... This is very important for understanding origin of life and subsequent evolution of biomolecules https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis Abiogenesis - Wikipedia …..Adding heavy sounding scientific jargon doesn't make them "research level" questions.. You yourself don't understand the meaning of the questions you have asked.. Who told you all this?? You need to read proper books on genetics You are a mazhabee -to me you are not normal any way --i dont class you human at all –you need to grow up a lot – ….ALL debates in educated societies ceased the day we found that all life share common ancestory--this was what Darwin said -he had no access to modern technology and know how ,which we had -so our DNA sequencing of life have shown us that it is common through out all life --end of story -Darwin won -- now how this came about ,one needs to study the subject in detail -or relevant part one is interested in --main thing is ,it has happened and happening all the time ,how it doing it ,it up to us individual to dig it -many thousands of geneticists are doing it and have done it ,and are happy with the results so far –
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Me : Lol, you can find whole series of video uploads which will explain to you the limitations of mutation and evolution. I can paste those for you and that will mean nothing. So instead of pasting links here explain to us what your points are. And yes for you these are 12 standard questions because you are stuck with the explanation that were given to you to tame your 12th standard brain. These are research level questions. Haha hard core scientists are unable to provide satisfactory replies and they are still struggling. These are our doubts explain to us. Superficial comments are easy to make now it's time to move from biology to genetics.
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Genes may overlap, genes can fuse but it is not proof of evolution of humans from apes. Human genetic data is quite different from other species. One has to prove in Human Chromosome 2 Fusion theory but this is not scientifically possible due to many natural defense system to prevent these fusions. I am not interested in playing this headless game. If you are so convinced of evolution being answer of human life on Earth then solve the dilemma of above mentioned questions. Till then take your time.
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Why the Miller–Urey research argues against abiogenesis - CMI Mobile And this is the problem of copy pasting links without understanding the available critique of every experiment. Thus we asked to have a proper debate. Everyone can post links from a variety of sources to prove one's points. Anyway...
Stop suggesting people rather prove yourself. Just don't yell. It's me saying it .
Jim things are not that simple as you assume. Dont post links. Talk with me. If we start posting links then it ll be a never ending process. Let me know how much u know .
Come on Jim bring your evidences. How long you shall depend on links. ?
How Protein, DNA, RNA works …………..
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My following article is a baffling conundrum to the evolutionist purpose and directed information exchange orchestrating specific and intended functioning within a cell is continuously conducted within the human genome and the DNA RNA functions that make up the human genome as we probably know the genome is the complete set of genetic material for any given living organism . The human genome is about 3 giga bases long which boils down to 750 MB this is about the same code amount that is found in total of three Mozilla browsers.
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The language of DNA is digital but is not binary code like a computer where binary encoding has 0s and 1s to work with, DNA has four positions T,C,G and A.
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These letters are used to represent the four informational nucleotide basis of a DNA strand. whereas a digital byte is almost 8 binary digits a DNA byte called a codon has 3 digits because each digit can have 4 values instead of 2 . A DNA codon has 64 possible values compare to a binary byte which has 256 .
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When we take into account that all 20 plus million species of known life and each of their sub system and sub sub systems are all produced within this 64 valued coding language we can see the amazing efficiency level at which the genome works: of the 20000 to 30000 genes now thought to make up the human genome, most cells actually express only a very small part of the total information code which makes sense, a liver cell for example wud hv no need for the DNA code that makes up neurones.
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But since almost all the cells carry around a full copy of the genome a system is needed to define out information that is not needed and that is just how DNA works.
Just like a computer program the generic code is full of if and end if statements . …
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This is why stem cells are so hot right now . These cells hv the ability to differentiate into everything the code hasn't been defined out yet so to speak stated more precisely stem cells do not hv everything turned on over the lifetime of the stem cell during which time it may clone of fork many times . It specialises itself ; each specialisation can be regarded as choosing a branch and a tree in which it ll ultimately and finally operate and specialised. …….
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Each stem cell cn make or be induced to make decisions about its future, each decision makes it more specialised. DNA is not simply a Computer programming language but as it is already said there are some starling analogies between DNA and computer code. We can view each cell as a CPU for a central processing unit running it own kernel as we probably know in computing kernel is the main component of most computer operating systems. It's a bridge between applications and the actual data processing done at the hardware level so each cell has a copy of the entire karnal but amazingly each cell chooses to activate only the relevant parts which modules or which driver it loads so to speak if the cell needs to do something or call a function it calls up the right piece of the genome and transcribes it into RNA. The RNA is then translated into a sequence of amino acids which together make up a protein for which the DNA coded .
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Now for the truly amazing part of the equation; this called up and coded protein is then tagged with a shipping address this address is a marker consisting of several several amino acids which tells the rest of the cells where this particular protein needs to be deployed.
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Once the protein arrives at its intended location the delivery instruction is then stripped off and several post processing steps are performed activating the protein - now do its job, the protein is not activated until at arrives at it marked and intended location.
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The amazing and complex intelligent communication functions of DNA are myriad . They are too numerous to recount and explain in short but the fact remains , purposed and directed information exchange is continuously conducted within the human genome and the DNA RNA functions that make it up purposed and directed information exchange. You decide is it random dramatically mutated nonpurposed accidental evolution?
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Jim, do you know wot? You people are abusive more than providing evidences. Life cannot exist without proteins proteins are essential to every cells function and existence however proteins require DNA to be formed that's because proteins are chains of specifically sequenced amino acids. Amino acids must link up in the precise sequence for a protein to form the precise sequence of a amino acids which is essential to protein formation is it self-determined by precise arrangement of the bases in the DNA molecule .
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That means that the precise arrangement of the bases in the DNA molecule constitutes the code for the precise arrangement of amino acids in a chain and the precise amino acids arrangement in a chain is itself necessary for protein formation therefore to put it simply to have life you must-have DNA and protein cannot form without it but DNA by itself is useless , it can't do anything.
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DNA does not go anywhere or do anything productive without the already existing proteins that's because in order for DNA to be transcribed and utilized in the cell which is essential to protein formation and life, DNA requires already existing proteins.
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DNA also cannot even replicate that is making copies of itself without already existing proteins, it means that if you can get with DNA but without proteins you could never get to proteins or life because DNA needs already existing proteins to even function or form proteins and you couldn't start with protein which is devour of DNA.
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Because proteins can only be formed from the instructions and information in DNA that proves that both DNA and proteins not to mention the many other molecular machines that enable them to interact must've been present for the beginning of life one could not have evolved into the other because they require one another for sustenance and utility. They must have been formed simultaneously.
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The evolutionists believe that Genetic mutation are the stuff of life thus the stuff of evolution actually genetic mutations have to be the process of life for evolutionists because without the existence of an intelligent designer there really is no other explanation for help one kind of living organism eventually over millions of years turns into another kind of living organism.
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The problem with the genetic mutation argument is that every true form the key words are , “ true form” of genetic mutation discovered shows that mutations result a decrease of useful information or an increase of destructive information to the DNA information science often with horrible results rather than evolutionary results.
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No form of true genetic mutation has ever been shown to produce anything usefully additional to a living organism . Mutations have not produced eyes, arms, legs, fins,lungs or reproductive system for example. Doctor E. Meyer professor of zoology at Harvard is famous for the following quote of scientific truth. “To believe that such a drastic mutation would `produce a viable new type, capable of occupying a new adaptive zone, `is equivalent to believing in miracles."—*E. Mayr, "Populations" in Species and Evolution (1970), p. 253.
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There are two possible sources of the genetic variability which is required and able to drive changes within species ; genetic recombination and mutation.
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Mutations are random nucleotide alterations such as copying errors or changes induced by external mutagens and contrast genetic recombination is performed by the cell during the preparation of gametes like sperm, egg or pollen all of which are used for sexual reproduction.
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Genetic recombination is the primary source of the genetic distinctions between individuals in a living population and must therefore be the principal driving force behind changes within species.
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Although genetic recombination was discovered and scientifically proven after the formation of Darwin's theories of evolution it is still playing by evolutionists today that mutations are the sources of any in natural variations within species and evolution takes it even an incomprehensible step further by claiming that ultimately these mutations cause one kind of living organism to become another kind of completely viable and evolve living organism .
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This is a suppose phenomenon which has never been observed in the totality of man,s existence. In comparison to recombination the changes induced by mutations are totally insignificant.
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Mutations are also disrupted to normal gene function and are often corrected by itself whenever detected.
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Now let's deal with a few of the most recent evolutionary arguments that supposedly prove that evolution occurs through mutation
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The more that real science investigates these claims the more pseudoscientific evolution appears. The evolutionists will ask what about the mutation of viruses for example the flu virus becoming more more resistant to vaccines?
Bacteria do not become resistant to antibiotics merely by experiencing genetic mutations in fact there are at lest two important genetic mechanisms by which resistance may be conferred.
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First there's the process of conjugation during which two bacterial cells join and an exchange of genetic material occurs certain enzymes exchanged in this process coincidentally assist in the breakdown of antibiotics thus making the bacteria resistant to antibiotics .
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Secondly bacteria can incorporate into their own genetic machinery foreign pieces of DNA by either of two types of DNA transposition.
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In transformation DNA from the environment perhaps from the death of another bacterium is absorbed into the bacterial cell and transduction a piece of DNA is transported into the cell by virus for example ; as a result of incorporating new genetic material and organism can become resistant to antibiotics so another words bacteria and viruses adapt rather than purely mutate .
This medical scientific fact is now so well known that many evolutionists have dropped this argument for their proof.
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Another evolutionist argument is , what about the mosquitoes amazing ability to resist each new repellent used against it?
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The source of the mosquitoes ability to resist repellent is found in adaptation ability within its genome; as it adapts it's still a mosquito and no new body parts have been found . This amazing ability is identified as natural selection or adaptation not evolution.
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No new species or additional body part are arising from this process and furthermore older pesticides can remain effective especially if a new generation of mosquitoes are not exposed.
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What about bacteria developing the ability to digest nylon ?
In the nineteenth seventies a team of Japanese scientists did come across a bacterium that was able to digest nylon yet again it's not exactly the vindication that evolution required.
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The mutation that caused the bacterium to do this was not found in the chromosomes, meaning that it could never be transferred during binary fission, also important to note is that plasmids and independent circular self replicating DNA molecule often found in bacteria that carries only few genes, the plasmids in the bacterium have been noted for the ability to adapt to new diets.
This would mean that the bacterium adapted it did not evolve from the mutation.
Every single other examples of evolution is for genetic mutation as the stuff of life falls into the category is just mentioned.
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Q 9 : Can mutations add new info?
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Me:By nature, Mutation is destructive, adds no new info. Isn't it true? In our 12th Biology, we've read, Mutations are errors, errors cannot add new information needed for a superior DNA layout.
Only the micro-evolution part is true in this evolution story. Mutations give rise to Variations, Adaptations give rise to Variations. But then there are strict limits to Variations. Whenever those limits are tried to be pushed, the consequence is Sterility, and the line comes to an end. Variations don't continue to give birth to new KINDS. Bacteria thru mutation becomes another bacteria,again. A fish thru mutation becomes another type of fish again. It doen't become something else. I called it destructive becos Mutation involves a LOSS of existing info. There is no Gain of information. Mutations never add new info and so doesn't help in going up the evolutionary ladder.
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SivaRangam : but carry on this little change --in next to next ----you will end up a walking fish,who can possibly live outside waters as well that is reptile -- explain me human chromosomme 2 --where we have two telomere in the center ? mutation is blind -it is neither destructive nor beneficial -- variation accumulated leads to mutation --- adaptation takes over ,mutation ,to adjust to that mutation --- so dont call it destructive or constructive -it is just a blind variation ---
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Jim Terry : Exactly!!! Mutation is Destructive or Beneficial in your frame of reference, not in nature's frame of reference... I give you an example.. The sicke cell anaemia gene causes a fatal anemia in humans.. It causes deformed RBCs so that they lose their ability to carry enough oxygen... Through humans frame of reference, this gene is harmful and it should perish for natural selection.. It causes death to every recessive individual that inherits it, so eventually this gene should omit out of human gene pool But here's the catch! This gene provides resistance against Malaria parasite... Plasmodium needs oxygen to produce trophozoits, in sickled RBCs plasmodium asexual reproduction is resisted... This is how sickle cell gene is useful despite being seen by humans as "harmful"... Now you will say Allah knows better for humans! He designed sickle cell gene to give protection against plasmodium!!…..Who told you there is no gain of information? Read the genetics chapter of Robbins Pathology... Many point mutations and frameshift mutations produce a different kind of enzyme or protein, a protein that has molecular weight higher than the regular one! I request you people to read proper books on Genetics, not the Islamic Research Foundation bullshit.. peace …..
Me : Jim, The synthesis of RNA from DNA is called transcription (the DNA is transcribed into RNA).
Sickle cell anaemia does not prove prove evolution.
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